Dicionare ale limbii romne (The vowel is long nowadays, but, as a stressed prefix, ur- is a phonological word and would have undergone the Early New High German vowel lengthening of monosyllabic words anyway.). Nianyans Turkish Etymological Dictionary Melville knew that whales are not fish,but whales fit into the fisheries group. Does that mean they say that Semitic spread from North-East (Mesopotamia) to South-West (Levant, Arabia, Ethiopia)? I think the reason bageri, boulangerie are later formations is that the early baker/fournisseur provided the oven space and/for not only bread or cakes. Learn more. lgo i fiskeriet SO 289 . I think a lot of the comparative (sorry) backwardness of comparative work with African languages boils down to the fact that only a handful of people are actually interested in doing it at all, and that some of those, even, are more enthusiastic than careful. As others have said, basal means farthest from what Im interested in at the moment. Id bet the first example would not have seen print if Pgina/12 still had an actual editing staff. [diyyu] In la, drab is a word, and the omission of the prefix y results in a substitution of tense. Hence un pescado, for example, is literally a fished one, a fished-out one and the word implies that the fish is dead. Or as they call it in English, an accent, When I compared most recent common ancestor of Semitic to mitochondrial Eve, I wanted to note that everything is even worse: mitochondria do not reproduce sexually, even though they need us to make love (we assist their reproduction like bees assist flowers, just differently). @rozele: As a protein source, it seems that salt-water fishing has always been quite a bit more important than fresh-water, at least in Europe as far back as we have any kinds of records (probably elsewhere as well, but I dont think Ive ever seen it discussed). Bantu. I am not interested in Meinhofs person. Not strictly an ox, but definitely an aurochnoid.). Almost all scholars have accepted this classification as the new and continued consensus. But thats no substitute for actual evidence that something really happened.). The Amorites and their congeners would appear to have followed as far as Syria before 2500 B.C. This is the most typical pattern, where languages within the core of an area may share many features, but the geographical extent of the individual traits may vary considerably one from another. The Land of the Ideophone!). Also, my posts should be taken as conversation-starters; there is no expectation of staying on topic,and some of the best threads have gone in entirely unexpected directions. Its not, but if you already know what its supposed to mean, its recognizable. All other messages and opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily state or reflect those of languagehat.com. Any statement that English morphology is not overwhelmingly Germanic would be difficult to maintain, given e.g., ablaut in noun plurals and simple past of strong verbs (also construction of simple past of weak verbs with -ed), etc. Compare and contrast: has any significant research on comparative Indo-European ever come out of Latin America? Probably. The Ugaritic writing system, however, departs markedly from the other Canaanite scripts in that its symbols are of cuneiform shape. Personally I can use it just to express surprise (it is just me). There is a certain tradition of attempting to derive Latin cattus from Berber kadiis but, plausibility aside, the latter word is in fact Nubian (Nubians are referred to as Berber in Egyptian Arabic, among other names. Die allgemeine Bedeutung Fisch fndet sich jedoch im Westen und im Sden der arabischen Halbinsel: .. Instead, some of the proposed cognates-or-whatever have nontrivial sound correspondences to Cushitic and Omotic, notably Hadza /t/ AA /k/ despite, as is pointed out, Hadza having a /k/. There seems to be no doubt at all, nevertheless, that Goemai is Chadic. Also, you have to have read it, so you can drop oblique allusions to it into your conversation, or Real Linguists will not take you seriously. It doesnt at all mean that he is devoid of judgment altogether: far from it. Yes, I had seen that. Population sizes within the region started diverging 1520 kya, when Levantines expanded while Arabians maintained smaller populations that derived ancestry from local hunter-gatherers. Do we actually have enough evidence to say that the Natufians went from the Levant into Egypt, rather than from Egypt into the Levant? The method that the adapters employed in turning the Egyptian script to their own use was dubbed the acrophonic principle by the British Egyptologist Sir Alan Gardiner. Aridification of Arabia 6 kya in the paper quoted in the original post intrigued me. It breaks down rapidly if treated as an actual fact. Etymologies of Serbo-Croatian and Czech dikobraz are wonderful: Serbo-Croatian, : Borrowed by Bogoslav ulek from Czech dikobraz. Philology.ru preserve noticeable traces of Pre-Semitic and, in Mesopotamia, also of Pre-Sumerian substratum. The continual renovation of words for fish is really interesting! Gurage is a particuarly diverse branch (said to have retained some archaic features). The idea that greater weight should be attributed to some traits than to others for defining a linguistic area can be illustrated with the borrowed word order patterns in the Ethiopian linguistic area. Moreover and moreover, class systems can be borrowed. Vydrin admits the evidence isnt definitive, but then rails against the extremes represented by the overly rigorous approaches of splitters and the too lax approaches of lumpers. However, from the perspective of expected word-order co-occurrences, these word-order arrangements are not independent traits, but reflect the diffusion of a single complex feature, the overall SOV word-order type with its tendency for the various expected coordinated orderings in typologically interrelated constructions to co-occur. Therefore were off to a good start and need to continue refining our method. Attempts that Ive seen to prove cognacy are usually lamentable. ", Well, lexically it's strikingly close to Berber, but orders of magnitude more diverse, and the inherited complex morphology seems to get restructured as you go south, so my guess would be 2; but it can only be a guess. is fully acceptable if the speaker has in mind dead fish as food. Sometimes thats good enough but I feel like I need to nail this stuff down or at least have a more practical reference at hand than wiki linguistics entries. Turns out it is, just not the way youd think. One domain in which linguists invoke a particularly abstract level of representation is Semitic word formation. No explanations for the process. Interestingly, Stewart is actually specifically denying the point made here: It is [. Some half a year ago I considered writing the in teh Hamitic thread (explainin my view and asking you what you mean) but I was lazy to do it:). That was also pretty much the technique used by Bouckaert et al. I meant ghoty, yes, * laughter:( (Or perhaps I should say that what little there is is a little too original). In this respect Semito-Hamitic and Afroasiatic are informative, while Lisramic is a surprisingly obscure word for a very (how old I was I first heard about the Bible?) As far as I can see from the Kitchen et al paper, they have compared their 25 languages as if they were working with a whole lot of contemporary languages. I dont remember in what connection. There is nothing keeping a linguistic river in the same channel. bulbulovo The Macro-Sudan belt: towards identifying a linguistic area in northern sub-Saharan Africa. And even think that anyone who sees a problem here is a crank. I didnt think to make further enquiries Its not in the dictionaries. But in the Levant and Mesopotamia, aside from Sumerian, we have Semitic dialects popping up whenever writing shows up, in cities at a distance from each other, that were not subject to the same kind of pre-historic central rule as along the Nile. Locative going with middle voice seems odd semantically, though. Birgit Hellwigs excellent grammar, quite apart from being a very good description, goes into some detail on the wider linguistic relationships, which are the more interesting because the language is part of a Sprachbund, along with other Chadic and also Volta-Congo languages, in Plateau State in Nigeria. The really striking thing about the paper for me was how overwhelmingly Natufian the ancestry of Arabian Arabs is. The non-r branches all have *i instead Maybe this is some Potou-Akanic-internal process that Stewart felt could be projected back to Proto-Volta-Congo (if so, again illustrating the problem with his general thesis.). It is absolutely vital in comparative work to accept that there is a possibility that the evidence may be insufficient to establish or refute your claim. 151-185. Not one has as yet been discarded by the profession as a whole. That should, strictly speaking, be Afro-Angelic, of course. I do not know how large were those vocabularies and whether he chose 165 most basic words out of 1000 or 165 out of 165. What methods? The thing he writes that gives me the most hope is the constant inux of new data that forces scholars to reevaluate former assumptions, since it seems like a lot of new data will be necessary to come up with anything more conclusive. Grodzinsky (1984) further proposes that, in contrast with many Indo-European languages, only inflectional substitution can be resorted to in Semitic languages, in which words are formed by inserting discontinuous vocalic morphemes into discontinuous consonantal roots.1To illustrate this structural property, the author discusses an example from Hebrew in which the three consonants s, m, and l are shared by the related words simla (a dress) and smalot (dresses). General language development thus proceeds across different phases, from pregrammatical to structure-dependent to appropriate use. Its a bit odd, when you think about it, given that AFAIK theres nothing much like it in Irish. But better. One classifier (t'u or dtua) is used for larger animals, furniture like tables and chairs, suits of men's clothing so far, things with arms and legs but also germs and fish! Because of this divergence, it has been hypothesized that there was a third domestication of cattle in Africa [32][36]. Whale is where Arabic ht moved. But the question is how far east. Do the verbs have clear cognates outside the family about as much as nouns do? >Can the apAdm software, distinguish between these scenarios?. The Starostin paper is interesting for the methodological issues, quite apart from the specific Nubian thing. Im not sure if expansion from post-Bantu Kenya is the most felicitous way to describe the Indian Ocean slave trade. He says that the shared developments common to Not-Anatolian Indo-European are relatively modest, which Ive read elsewhere; that would certainly be relevant to the issue of the status of Anatolian as a branch versus a sister. Separate reflexes for intervocalic *h and *h, namely vs. , seem to be consensus. As far as I know, the new & flashy hypothesis that Semitic originated where East & West Semitic met in historical times is textbook wisdom. is the paper I closest-to-remember that did it right. Yes. Your thesis seems to be essentially that a basically valid methodology has been skunked (in the opinion of mainstream historical linguists,at least) by extremely poor implementation. Semitic history is full of diffusion.. autosomal Eve could be even better analogy. He is objecting to the claim that regardless of quality of lexical evidence, in absence of grammatical reconstruction we cant establish a relationship. Tom Gldemann thinks that Sandawe may be distantly related to Khoe-Kwadi, and Tuu may turn out to be related to Kxa. We do not have porcuines here, likely he was translating a book. It wasnt back in 2005. Lexilogos (French) There is a pleasing consistency in these remarks. If Africanists cant achieve this they mustnt pretend that they can. There is an abundance of both contemporary tribal and ancient East African DNA now, most recently in a large study of Prendergast et al. Bantu is by no manner of means representative of Niger-Congo in this regard: but then Bantu is a sub-branch of a sub-branch of Volta-Congo. The passage of time may have degraded the data beyond the point at which reasonable conclusions can be drawn any more. so colloquially, you might hear pescado guppy? Good to have confirmation of Early European Farmer ancestry in the Maghreb. Still, it shows at the very least that hunter-gatherers are well able to spread single language families over a large area. Similar results are reported by Kehayia (1990) and Kehayia, Jarema, and Kadzielawa (1990) for Greek, a language in which bare stems are never legal. How do the biological mathematical models cope with widespread lateral transmission of genetic information (a well-known thing in bacteria, after all, though presumably not quite as pervasive as the analogue with languages, where it is the rule rather than the exception)? This pattern contrasts sharply with the one reported for the more typically studied English-speaking agrammatic aphasics, whose frequent omission of inflections results in the production of lexically well-formed bare stems (e.g., flower instead of flowers, or walk instead of walked). Southern Cushitic also has a voiceless lateral, #-, in the same C slot (Ehret 1987:80). Once raiding is stopped, the same lands go to cropland. Woodard, in International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences, 2001. But Out of Natufian seems much more parsimonious at this point. The practical question is whether we have suitable material for comparative work. @Ryan, in another thread I mentioned a paper dealing with the same individuals form Morocco. An ka taa (resources and lessons for Bambara, Dioula, Malink, and Mandinka) It is careful comparative work on Khoisan that has shown that Greenberg was wrong in lumping all these languages together, for example. However, it has been shown that in Icelandic (Magnsdttir & Thrinsson, 1990), bare stems are almost never produced, even when a -affixed form exists in the language, as is the case with the imperative and the typical first person singular present form of verbs. They could otkochevat* from Africa to the Middle East, pick up tools and then go back, armed with bronze and iron and cattle and then with books. Schleicher published six years before the O.S., and he and Darwin exchanged letters. It is exciting evidence of prehistoric interplanetary contact! That takes care of the supposed reflex of *h. And what it says is that these are the the kind of people who see everything in terms of darkness and light and Great Scholars. Rather than the diversity I would expect from fractality even with an overlay of sprachbunds. the most breathtakingly groundbreaking papers on ecology, evolution or genetics still get into Nature). They form the largest branch of the Southern Bantoid languages. The paddlefish is a commercial food fish in all 3 areas (American paddlefish were introduced in China), but not an important one. I think to understand the growth of NS and NC, we have to consider whether there were similar new forces at play earlier than we are aware of. I would propose as a compromise: paradigmatic grammatical evidence is often enough, phoneme for phoneme, the strongest type of evidence for a relationship; while lexical evidence is the most consistently available type. He studied in Kiev and worked in SPb. Can the qpAdm software(35,36), distinguish between these scenarios? No influx from Egypt. No, I have no idea why it isnt uras as would be expected. I just typed this postscriptum in a hurry. By contrast, in French, uninflected verbs surface to the level of the word, as is the case in English. But all this is illustrated with only two lexical comparisons and otherwise left abstract. (I apologize for the extended analogy and Im not sure if its actually appropriate.). When saying ouch I was thinking ! which is what youre supposed to say when you burn your hand. Phytoplankton by definition makes its own oxygen; but the same holds for carbon dioxide, and the actual factor seems to be that nutrient-rich upwellings from the deep sea are inevitably cold. Yeah, I dont recall his commenting here, but he follows the site and is a faithful link-sender. (To put it another way: Every simgle affix in Volta-Congo and Mande fails to correspond.). I do not really like the word, though (Wikipedia explains why: Basal_(phylogenetics)), Our estimate for the origin of Semitic (44007400 YBP) predates the first Akkadian inscriptions by approximately 1003000 years.. He also suggests a relation to Proto-West Germanic *-astrij. Mande has no grammatical gender or relevant verb flexion; Grusi languages have both, but sufficiently different from Oti-Volta that one can easily imagine an adult Grusi-speaking learner of an Oti-Volta language deciding to dispense with the details . assumed that entities like Niger-Kordofanian were actual demonstrated things, yes, this overlaps with what I meant by the stupid thing about those families. Ryan asked about a good introduction that would explain terms like derivational suffixes so I thought about derivational suffixes and about those suffixes that are borrowed. One domain in which linguists invoke a particularly abstract level of representation is Semitic word formation. As if we had a reconstructable IE word for Ghoti, @de, AntC Tucker, A. N. 1967. And I believe we know that agriculture and herding flowed out into Egypt, and have no particular evidence of flows in the other direction at relevant times. I was thinking of it more as a muddy consonant at the edge of d/g, where enunciation might surface the g-ishness, rather than a true assimilation that got reversed, or whatever the term would be. [ttmi fahre faxreh/kal]. Actually, the Nilo-Saharan situation looks not unlike Ryans scenario: very old families some small, some quite large that have been in low-level contact since ever. Re Proto-Semitic being spoken in the area now known as the Rub-al-Khali, a hypothesized Urheimat buried under sand dunes is not quite as advantageous (in terms of resistance to impertinent questions from skeptics) as one submerged under the North Sea, but still pretty good. And then this African becomes a specialist in something like Hani. 1. People who want to go live in/visit Israel. 2. Religious Jews. 3. Christians who want to study the Old Testament. 4. Linguists like me who, Ever Sanskrit: mna (from Dravidian) 1. Still includes Saharan, mind. Its very plausible that East Semitic and West Semitic differentiated far away from their first attestations, but L. does not prove it in any way. There is no consensus among historical linguists concerning the original homeland of the Afroasiatic family, or the period when the parent language (i.e. He places Ongota in South Omotic. (Maybe more controversially: I have a somewhat bleak views on how much value non-paradigmatic and non-semantically-quirky grammatical evidence has for anything in one-or-two-segment comparisons, high odds of chance resemblance quickly dilutes the value of even exact formal identities. Zhongwen.com In my limited experience, pez/peces in Latin America is used in the same context as fishes in English, that is, in technical texts on ichthyology or fisheries or such. But as I said, the coincidence is very suspicious. This sabkha was a lake during the Neolithic. Strange eo* Welsh accent. Vinces assignment from the Lord is to proclaim that the Bisrat (Gospel) of Yeshua is for all nations, tribes and tongues and to do this by teaching on the earliest history of Christianity in Africa and Asia. For I saw Mehri/Jibbali/Soqotri words that you quoted and random stuff like: saydoman.com: This new era of Almaradam has made it necessary for us to change our brand into a more global looking brand where Almaradam has evolved into Sayd Oman. While Im at it, this conference handout from 2016 (in English) compares PIE accent & ablaut categories to PU second-syllable vowels, which looks pretty neat and becomes even more convincing if you side with those that reconstruct the less open one of the only two PU second-syllable vowels as [] instead of the traditional [i] or the classical []. *hduH- > Proto-Gk. I apologise to his win. ), porkupine: I think the former proposal cant be accepted without discussion, you think the latter proposal cant be accepted without discussion. Discussion, in Hamito-Semitica. So the early Neolithic in North Africa is consistent with Paleolithic genetics, but the later Neolithic is loaded with Middle Eastern genomes. Blench doesnt go round finding spurious traces of noun classes in Dogon in order to make it fit Niger-Congo better. Vendemos una gran variedad de pescados We sell many kinds of fish (the implication is that they are dead, hence sold as a food) versus Vendemos una gran variedad de peces We sell many kinds of [live] fish (for aquariums, fishbowls, and the like). Im not sure that this is creative in the sense that you mean, . Its precisely by looking at the data from comparison of individual languages that you begin to see how weak the evidence for groups like Gur, for example, really is. (Overly phonetic features have occurred in other writing systems; Im thinking of kappa/qoppa in early Greek, or C/K/Q in early Latin.) Could be similar to what happened to African hunter-gatherers when they saw cattle, sheep and goats for the first time. This allows for trees to be developed rigorously, and for large classifications to be compared rigorously. It would be interesting to see how much of the expansion of AA can be accounted for as purely pastoralist, though. Who chose the referees, and on what basis? Bantu people A nativist, Chomskyan-based view will specify these in terms of the formal principles characterizing a generative model of Universal Grammar (UG) with cross-linguistic variation accounted for by differential setting of structural parameters according to the target language. i think theres no reason to expect fish-words to move inland unless theres no significant relationship to river & lake fish among the inland people (or, i suppose, if theres a coastal fishery that commercially overwhelms inland fisheries, across a language divide). Not by much. * Development of a feminine gender and a major revamping of the verb system look pretty immodest to me but I know very little about this. Igor M. Diakonoff (1996) subdivides Afroasiatic in two, grouping Berber, Cushitic, and Semitic together as East-West Afrasian (ESA), and Chadic with Egyptian as North-South Afrasian (NSA). By contrast, peces in the first sentence would imply that the speaker was asking a zoological question (what fishes live in salt water?) And the proposed protoform doesnt seem to work properly even for Akan soma. My impression is that historical linguists love company. I also have great sympathy for those who want to use the spelling auroch, since the singular aurochs still just looks wrong to me. In their spontaneous speech, as well as in sentence repetition and reading aloud, subjects resorted to substitutions and never produced nonwords. Well, I searched for his Dogon paper, found it here and it has made me lose all respect for Blench. I wasnt looking hard enough. He says, Elderkins paper is perhaps the only attempt to compare Hadza with families other than Khoi-San and was ignored unduly (unlike weaker Hadza-Khoi-San comparisons) because Hadza click (which in the context of AA parallels he can only explain with a clicking substrate). For example, the Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol resembling waves of water and used in the Egyptian system as a monoconsonantal symbol with the value /n/ was assigned the value /m/ in the Proto-Sinaitic script, as the word for water in the Semitic language of that script began with /m/. Theres a paper on academia.edu somewhere. I have some dim recollection of some Hittite words which are indeed cognate to forms in the rest of Indo-European but actually dont mean the same as in any other branch, like the *mer- root, which (I gather) is disappear in Hittite, rather than die. And what Ive seen of discussions of Hittite etymology seems to turn on ingenious PIE etymologies of words whose meaning is already known. Garca Salinas may be knowledgeable about sharks, but I wouldnt trust him on nomenclature. A problem with lexicostatistics on a set of languages which are certainly related, but the sound changes are not always clear, is that the question of whether two forms actually match for lexicostastical purposes or not can be far from objective, and I am very dubious of techniques which purport to get round this. [The stem of arrow often alternates CVC/CVVC, cf Kusaal piim arrow, plural pima, and the vowel quality alternations make sense, as the word originally belonged to the u/i long thin things noun class, obsolete in WOV, where the plural -i causes umlaut of unrounded vowels to /i/ in WOV; this /i/ is then very often backported into the singular form as well, particularly when the plural is commoner than the singular in any case.]. Previous studies showed that this ancestry was not present in the Levant during the Neolithic period but appeared in the Bronze Age where 50% of the local ancestry was replaced by a population carrying ancient Iran-related ancestry (Lazaridis et al., 2016). The eccentric but successful American businessman Timothy Dexter was persuaded to actually ship coals to Newcastle as either a practical joke or an attempt to ruin him. An odd thing about Swadesh lists (and broader lexical comparison) in Oti-Volta is that there is very noticeably more agreement among nouns than verbs. https://pages.sandpoints.org/dotawo/library/BROWSE_LIBRARY.html#/book/c0a34308-1929-42cd-b792-1a1890f14564. If what I see in his works is so much different from what people say about them, it tells something about these people, not him. (I dont know the first thing about the Gurage languages, though.) So the only remaining question is why he didnt go for hair or spike as the second element when he coined the word. As an ideophone for cringing its perfect. Languagehat.com does not endorse any potential defamatory opinions of readers, and readers should post opinions regarding third parties at their own risk. @LH, I just dont know. In North Germanic all this stuff happened in historical times and is documented. Hare is small game like pheasant and quail WIWAL that was a different class from chickens and geese on one side, and pork and beef on the other. * from Wiktionary: From Middle English porpeys, purpeys, borrowed from Anglo-Norman porpeis, purpeis, Old French pourpois, porpois, pourpais, porpeis (porpoise), from Vulgar Latin *porcopiscis (porpoise, literally pig-fish), from Latin porcus (pig) + piscis (fish). I would agree if pigs were bees, and I were bitten by one. Then we naturally want to make regional (skewed) terminology compatible with international (unbiased) terminology and here we have a problem. 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